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Possible Bad News For Creationists

Postby vms » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:52 pm

http://observer.com/2016/08/not-a-drill ... eep-space/
Not a Drill: SETI Is Investigating a Possible Extraterrestrial Signal From Deep Space
If the signal is truly from an alien world, it’s one far more advanced than ours
By Robin Seemangal • 08/29/16 11:02am

Jodie Foster as a SETI scientist in the film Contact, based on Carl Sagan’s book about E.T communication.


Jodie Foster as a SETI scientist in the film Contact, based on Carl Sagan’s book about E.T. communication. (Image: Warner Bros)

An international team of scientists from the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) is investigating mysterious signal spikes emitting from a 6.3-billion-year-old star in the constellation Hercules—95 light years away from Earth. The implications are extraordinary and point to the possibility of a civilization far more advanced than our own.

The unusual signal was originally detected on May 15, 2015, by the Russian Academy of Science-operated RATAN-600 radio telescope in Zelenchukskaya, Russia, but was kept secret from the international community. Interstellar space reporter Paul Gilster broke the story after the researchers quietly circulated a paper announcing the detection of “a strong signal in the direction of HD164595.”

The mysterious star’s designation is HD164595, and it’s considered to be sun-like in nature with a nearly identical metallic composition to our own star. So far, a single Neptune-like (but warmer) planet has been discovered in its orbit—HD 164595 b. But as Gilster explained, “There could, of course, be other planets still undetected in this system.”

Decorated Italian SETI researcher and mathematician Claudio Maccone along with Russia’s Nikolai Bursov of the Special Astrophysical Observatory are the principal scientists working on the apparent discovery. They claim that “permanent monitoring of this target is needed.”
The RATAN-600 Radio Telescope in Russia


The RATAN-600 Radio Telescope in Russia. (Photo: Wikimedia Commons)

“The signal conceivably fits the profile for an intentional transmission from an extraterrestrial source,” said Alan Boyle, author of “The Case for Pluto” who reported the story for Geekwire. “In any case, the blip is interesting enough to merit discussion by those who specialize in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.”

The signal’s strength indicates that if it in fact came from a isotropic beacon, the power source would have to be built by a Kardashev Type II civilization. (The Kardashev scale is used to determine the progress of a civilization’s technological development by measuring how much energy was used to transmit an interstellar message.) An ‘Isotropic’ beacon means a communication source emitting a signal with equal power in all directions while promoting signal strength throughout travel.

In his acclaimed work “Transmission of Information by Extraterrestrial Civilizations,” Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev explained that a Type II civilization would be able to harness the energy of their entire host star. The most common hypothetical example of this would be a Dyson Sphere—which is a massive artificial structure that could completely encapsulate a star and transfer the energy to a nearby planet.
A cut-away diagram of an idealized Dyson shell, a variant on Dyson's original concept


A cut-away diagram of an idealized Dyson shell, a variant on Dyson’s original concept. (Photo: Wikimedia Commons)

Basically, if the signal was beamed out into the galaxy without aim or direction, that would require an enormous amount of power to actually be detected. But what if the signal was beamed specifically at our solar system? Well, that would require less energy and could indicate the presence of a Kardashev Type I civilization—meaning that it could be a highly technological, contemporary society that harnesses the solar energy emitted by its local star, much like our planet does with solar panels. This particular civilization’s social structure is theorized to be completely globalized and interconnected.

“The signal is provocative enough that the RATAN-600 researchers are calling for permanent monitoring of this target,” said Gilster. And that’s exactly what is transpiring. As of last night, the SETI institute is diverting its Allen Telescope Array in northern California to investigate while their counterparts at METI International (Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence) will use Panama’s Boquete Optical Observatory.

The detection of the mysterious signal and the ensuing investigations will be discussed at the IAA SETI Permanent Committee during the 67th International Astronautical Congress in Guadalajara, Mexico, on September 27—the same day and location where Elon Musk will reveal his plans to colonize Mars. The Observer will be following up on both these stories from the Congress.
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Re: Possible Bad News For Creationists

Postby E-lad » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:06 pm

From what I remember most creotards claim that there is no alien life, but, if God did create life somewhere else and didn't record it in the bible...no big deal.......
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Re: Possible Bad News For Creationists

Postby vms » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:18 pm

Ken Ham likes to say that we all have the same evidence, it's its interpretation that matters and that is based on your worldview. So I'd say Ken Ham would deny the existence of aliens no matter what the evidence.

When Ken Ham has posted about aliens his Hammites have posted that aliens would actually be demons.

Anyway, I've been reading the comments and one xian sees this as a opportunity to "witness".

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Men are funny. Once again, the atheistic element in science [actually, scientism, not science] is giddy that they might find some other beings in the universe. But alas, if they do, we will need to evangelized them, for Christ is their creator, too.

A message from far away in the universe? Why such a surprise? Just read the Bible.
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Re: Possible Bad News For Creationists

Postby Chris » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:04 am

Vic Edwards · Facultad Latinoamericana de Estudios Teologicos

Men are funny. Once again, the atheistic element in science [actually, scientism, not science] is giddy that they might find some other beings in the universe. But alas, if they do, we will need to evangelized them, for Christ is their creator, too.

A message from far away in the universe? Why such a surprise? Just read the Bible.
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Thus sayeth Ham - there is no frikken aliens! Forget your bible sir. Ham hath spoken.
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Re: Possible Bad News For Creationists

Postby BaldySlaphead » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:07 pm

Sadly, Phil Plait seems pretty confident that it's unlikely to be an extra-terrestrial signal.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronom ... _star.html
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Re: Possible Bad News For Creationists

Postby E-lad » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:52 pm

It was too good to be true.
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Re: Possible Bad News For Creationists

Postby Stoned Immaculate » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:17 pm

would love to see ray give an alien the good person test.
With a name like Smucker's, it has to be god.
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