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Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby zilch » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:40 am

Not easy.

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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby zilch » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:56 am

Another perspective: the American Atheists have a great show featuring some more brave ex-Muslims:

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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby God-Prank » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:00 am

Not easy because well over 90% of Muslims are strict about the death penalty for apostasy.
Quite often family members do the execution.
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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby zilch » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:07 am

An undeniable advantage of modern Christianity over modern Islam is the centuries of humanistic Enlightenment that have infected most Christians: not keeping slaves, not being too sexist, etc. But the Bible is not really much nicer than the Koran.
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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby God-Prank » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:21 am

zilch wrote:An undeniable advantage of modern Christianity over modern Islam is the centuries of humanistic Enlightenment that have infected most Christians: not keeping slaves, not being too sexist, etc. But the Bible is not really much nicer than the Koran.


And zilch goes for the Tu Quoque fallacy...again.
You can't reform Islam, because you can't reform the murderous pedophile Muhammad.

It's the other way round.
Secular humanism benefited from Christianity, common literacy, the abolition of slavery, animal rights, etc.
Ever since secular humanism has been trying to cast off Christian morals, we have the legalization of infanticide, legalization and promotion of drugs and the cruel SLAVERY of addiction, the sexualiztion of children, porn, etc.

Secular humanism is the one in need, not of a reformation, but destruction/judgment.
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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby zilch » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:56 am

Show me animal rights in the Bible. Show me anti-slavery in the Bible. Show me anti-sexism in the Bible. Warning: I've read the whole thing.
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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby God-Prank » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:14 pm

A righteous man regards the life of his animal, But the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
Proverbs 12:10

Remember that in God's original creation, Adam and Eve were vegetarians, and the Kingdom to come will return to it one day.

Both the abolition of slavery in the British empire, and the creation of the Society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, were effected by the evangelical Christian, Wilberforce.
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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby God-Prank » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:17 pm

Sexual equality.

Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
I Corinthians 7:3-4
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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby God-Prank » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:20 pm

Exodus 21:16 ESV / 131 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful

“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

Galatians 3:28 ESV / 54 helpful votes

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 4:1 ESV / 37 helpful votes

Masters, treat your slaves justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven.

Exodus 21:26-27 ESV / 30 helpful votes

“When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free because of his eye. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free because of his tooth.

Deuteronomy 24:7 ESV / 28 helpful votes

“If a man is found stealing one of his brothers of the people of Israel, and if he treats him as a slave or sells him, then that thief shall die. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.

Leviticus 25:44-46 ESV / 18 helpful votes

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Ephesians 6:9 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.

Isaiah 58:6 ESV / 17 helpful votes

“Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke?

Galatians 5:1 ESV / 13 helpful votes

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

Jeremiah 22:13 ESV / 13 helpful votes

“Woe to him who builds his house by unrighteousness, and his upper rooms by injustice, who makes his neighbor serve him for nothing and does not give him his wages,

1 Corinthians 7:23 ESV / 10 helpful votes

You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.

Leviticus 25:39 ESV / 10 helpful votes

“If your brother becomes poor beside you and sells himself to you, you shall not make him serve as a slave:

Leviticus 19:33-34 ESV / 10 helpful votes

“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 21:7-11 ESV / 9 helpful votes

“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.

Exodus 21:2-6 ESV / 9 helpful votes

When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.

Exodus 21:1-36 ESV / 9 helpful votes

“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ ...
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Re: Here's an interesting perpective: leaving Islam

Postby BaldySlaphead » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:06 pm

Well, I certainly think we can all agree that Daniel has expertly showed us quite how authoritative the Bible is when it comes to the issue of slavery.

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