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The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby Chris » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:26 am

At least according to Pam Mazanec, a member of Colorado's state board of education.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/0 ... Sacrifice#

From one of the comments:
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[new] I think a new Civil War is coming (86+ / 0-)
Obviously not like the last one but the crazy is past the point of no return now. They have been validated and will stop at nothing until the country rolls back at least 100 years. Red States are going to force some kind of reckoning and just like the last time around purple states like Colorado are going to be a battleground for the future of this country.

I'm past the point of roll eyes at the crazy. Now I'm at the point where I'm waiting for them to commit open rebellion. It's the only possible outcome for them and the Democrats are not progressive enough to cut them off at the pass.
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby zilch » Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:41 am

Probably most American slaves gave up slavery voluntarily.
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby BeamStalk » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:32 pm

zilch wrote:Probably most American slaves gave up slavery voluntarily.


Or at least tried too.


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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby zilch » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:26 am

Yep, beams. I seem to recall that many former slaves ended up working for their old masters under conditions only marginally better than slavery. It was that or starve.

And we're of course still living with that legacy, black and white, although things are improving in some quarters.
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby BeamStalk » Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:55 pm

zilch wrote:Yep, beams. I seem to recall that many former slaves ended up working for their old masters under conditions only marginally better than slavery. It was that or starve.

And we're of course still living with that legacy, black and white, although things are improving in some quarters.



Some of the issues that are framed black white issues turn out to be more poor rich issues, but slavery and racial issues do come along with poor rich issues as well.
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby Chris » Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:21 am

zilch wrote:Probably most American slaves gave up slavery voluntarily.


Now that gave me a smile. Thanks zilch.

But why is it that supposedly educated people can even think this trash let alone say it out loud? Didn't they ever hear of a little thing called the civil war? Where's a clue bat when you need one?
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby zilch » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:00 am

Of course there were economic reasons for the Civil War too. But even if they were the primary factor (whatever that could mean), that doesn't take away from the fact that the Civil War ended slavery (at least on paper), and that the South did not "voluntarily" give it up.
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby Chris » Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:55 pm

zilch wrote:Of course there were economic reasons for the Civil War too. But even if they were the primary factor (whatever that could mean), that doesn't take away from the fact that the Civil War ended slavery (at least on paper), and that the South did not "voluntarily" give it up.


I couldn't agree more. In addition I don't see what is gained as far as the religious right is concerned. Yes there were a lot of Christians who were pro slavery but the abolitionist movement wouldn't have gotten off the ground in the US without all the Christian folk who supported abolition. This claim of voluntary relinquishing slavery denies the courageous struggle of such people. People who should be held up as heroes by the religious right. Are they really ready to relinquish all that merely to score a cheap political point?
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby Chris » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:02 pm

Oh and just because people might enjoy the exchange:
slavery denialist "The civil war had nothing to do with slavery. It was about states rights."
Historian: You know you're right. It was about states rights. Each state's right to keep human beings as slaves"
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Re: The US gave up slavery voluntarily

Postby E-lad » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:34 pm

Chris wrote:Oh and just because people might enjoy the exchange:
slavery denialist "The civil war had nothing to do with slavery. It was about states rights."
Historian: You know you're right. It was about states rights. Each state's right to keep human beings as slaves"


he Southern Baptist Convention issued an apology for its earlier stance on slavery. The issue had split the Baptist church between north and south in 1845. But a century and a half later, in 1995, Southern Baptist officials formally renounced the church's support of slavery and segregation.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =112329862

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