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The DI on the Future of ID

Postby lehman scott » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:48 am

I'll just let these idiots speak for themselves...
How Bright is the Future of Intelligent Design? by Casey Luskin December 23, 2011

In past years, on the December 20 anniversary of the publication of Judge Jones's ruling in Kitzmiller v. Dover, we've often posted something about the decision. Inevitably, some critic says that after all this time we're still "obsessed" with the Dover case. The charge is ironic. It's the Evolution Lobby, not Discovery Institute, that talks about Dover incessantly, reliving a pyrrhic victory that struck down a version of "intelligent design" that was little more than the invention of ID's critics. We'll have more to say on that in a future article.

Anyway, some of us who write for ENV got a laugh this past Wednesday morning when we arrived at the office and someone pointed out that it was the sixth anniversary of the Dover ruling -- the previous day. As Maxwell Smart might say, we had missed it by that much. Nobody at Discovery had even noticed. So I do humbly apologize for the delayed post commemorating Dover.

Why did we forget about Dover? Because it hardly matters. Contrary to the hopes and expectations of the Darwin lobby, the post-Dover years have seen ID's scientific and cultural footprint grow only more prominent and impressive.

Critics of ID who fume on the Internet, preach in university classrooms, and feign knowledge and authority in the media love to proclaim that the ID movement is dead. As their story goes, in 2005 a federal judge ruled in the Kitzmiller v. Dover lawsuit that ID is religion and thus unconstitutional to teach in public schools. This supposedly dealt a "deathblow" to the ID movement, which according to critics, has since lost momentum and all but dissipated.

This tall tale may reassure the barons in the ivory tower that they need no longer fear the barbarians at the gate. But those who actually follow the ID movement and know the facts about the debate understand that the critics' preferred narrative could not be further from the truth.

ID's Scientific Renaissance

Despite what you hear -- or don't hear -- from critics (especially those in the media), the past 5 to 10 years have been a boom period for pro-ID scientific research and peer-reviewed scientific publications.

You could trace the current boom back to 2004, when Discovery Institute senior fellow Stephen Meyer published a groundbreaking paper explicitly advocating intelligent design in the journal Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington. Now, in 2011, the ID movement has reached another landmark with the publication of its 50th peer-reviewed pro-ID scientific paper. We'll have more to say on that soon. But this is a milestone that undeniably speaks to the scientific progress of ID.

There are multiple hubs of ID-related research producing these papers.


<snip> a list of vacuous DI ID "research" that you can read here if you wish.

ID's record shows it deserves -- and is increasingly receiving -- serious consideration by the scientific community. This is seen too in the fact that pro-ID research conferences have taken place worldwide over the past few years where pro-ID scientists have presented their research in fields such as genetics, biochemistry, engineering, and computer science.

Hardcore ID-critics, of course, have no interest in acknowledging ID's scientific successes. Back in March, journalist Lauri Lebo (a card carrying member of the Darwin lobby) blithely declared "there is no such thing as ID research, which has not yet produced one single legitimate peer reviewed paper." The purpose of ID's research programs is not to convince unconvincible critics like Ms. Lebo. Rather, ID research seeks to engage open-minded scientists -- and thoughtful laymen -- with credible, persuasive, peer-reviewed, empirical data supporting intelligent design. And this is happening: the scientific progress of ID is cauing skeptics in the scientific community to increasingly turn their heads towards ID, attend private scientific conferences with ID proponents, and engage in serious scientific dialogues. You won't know it from reading the New York Times, an NCSE-staffer blog, or Judge Jones's manifesto, but ID has already gained the kind of scientific legitimacy we'd expect from a young (and vastly underfunded) scientific field. With scientific productivity leading the way, ID's future is looking bright.

Alas, the kind of folks who are still waving the banner of Kitzmiller over their heads probably will never admit to ID's progress. Like Rick in Casablanca, they'll always have Dover.


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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby E-lad » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:47 am

Pure unadulterated bullshit.

Why did we forget about Dover? Because it hardly matters.


Well, Casey, let me say this about that. It matters in the same way that many other federal court case rulings matter. It is a precedent. In American jurisprudence, a precedent is not merely an opinion, it is a hard and fast test to any further shenanigans by the defendants in similar cases. As if that is not enough, the Kitzmiller case exposed you and your ilk as the lying sons of bitches that you are, and that is in the federal record, so go ahead and sue me for libel/ slander because you will go down just as hard- maybe worse- than you did in the Dover case.

To simplify it for you, the teaching of ID has been declared illegal to teach in public schools since it constitutes government endorsement of religion, which is prohibited by the establishment clause of the First amendment.

Have a nice day, butthole.
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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby lehman scott » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:18 am

E-lad wrote:Pure unadulterated bullshit.

Why did we forget about Dover? Because it hardly matters.


Well, Casey, let me say this about that. It matters in the same way that many other federal court case rulings matter. It is a precedent. In American jurisprudence, a precedent is not merely an opinion, it is a hard and fast test to any further shenanigans by the defendants in similar cases. As if that is not enough, the Kitzmiller case exposed you and your ilk as the lying sons of bitches that you are, and that is in the federal record, so go ahead and sue me for libel/ slander because you will go down just as hard- maybe worse- than you did in the Dover case.

To simplify it for you, the teaching of ID has been declared illegal to teach in public schools since it constitutes government endorsement of religion, which is prohibited by the establishment clause of the First amendment.

Have a nice day, butthole.


Well put, Sir, very well put!

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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby zilch » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:35 pm

All I have to say is: cdesignpropentsists.
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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby E-lad » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:16 pm

zilch wrote:All I have to say is: cdesignpropentsists.


Haha, well played, and that is the only word you need to show them to be the lying sacks of shit that they are.
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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby IntellectualNinja » Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:50 pm

Almost all the links on that page to "published articles" are found on the Discovery Institute's own "journals" or other ID-based "journals." Also, there is a paper by Behe.

For shame.
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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby E-lad » Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:23 pm

IntellectualNinja wrote:Almost all the links on that page to "published articles" are found on the Discovery Institute's own "journals" or other ID-based "journals." Also, there is a paper by Behe.

For shame.


Haha, they do the same thing as Answers In Genesis "Journal." They reference the material written by answers In Genesis hacks as citations.
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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby Godlesspanther2 » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:42 pm

Those who can only refer to other within their same group for support of their ideas are, by definition pseudoscientists.

Or we could just call them lying sacks of shit. Which is exactly what the members of the DISHONESTY Institute are.
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Re: The DI on the Future of ID

Postby Nohm » Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:32 pm

They're full of crap.

Dover was a deathblow to them, and they haven't been the same since.

I do pay close attention to the status of ID, and Casey here is basically pulling an Iraqi-Information-minister act.
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