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The Skeptic Fence

Postby Milo » Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:42 pm

I watched a Richard Carrier interview here. Towards the end they get into a conversation about Atheism Plus. The host seemed to have a bug up his ass over women being demanding and overly sensitive. Apparently there is no sexism and even if there was atheists have no business telling anyone else that sexism is wrong. It was depressing to listen to. Atheists can be just as misogynistic as Christians and just as impossible to reason with. The host was claiming that males also faced harassment, threats, and name calling so women shouldn't complain. Like black people shouldn't complain about racism because white people are discriminated against just as much- right? He couldn't understand why a woman would feel intimidated in an elevator with a man coming on to her, when in a similar situation he would be fine with it. Telling people how they should feel is something I expect from Christians. And the part of being skeptical of her story like a true skeptic was sickening.

To those who have been following the controversy this is not news. I thought it had died down, but tales of male insensitivity will never be forgiven by some men. And irrational religious belief is not the only obstacle we face in forming a better world.
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Re: The Skeptic Fence

Postby E-lad » Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:34 pm

Milo wrote:I watched a Richard Carrier interview here. Towards the end they get into a conversation about Atheism Plus. The host seemed to have a bug up his ass over women being demanding and overly sensitive. Apparently there is no sexism and even if there was atheists have no business telling anyone else that sexism is wrong. It was depressing to listen to. Atheists can be just as misogynistic as Christians and just as impossible to reason with. The host was claiming that males also faced harassment, threats, and name calling so women shouldn't complain. Like black people shouldn't complain about racism because white people are discriminated against just as much- right? He couldn't understand why a woman would feel intimidated in an elevator with a man coming on to her, when in a similar situation he would be fine with it. Telling people how they should feel is something I expect from Christians. And the part of being skeptical of her story like a true skeptic was sickening.

To those who have been following the controversy this is not news. I thought it had died down, but tales of male insensitivity will never be forgiven by some men. And irrational religious belief is not the only obstacle we face in forming a better world.


The stereotype of woman being the 'weaker' sex is pervasive.
I've not had a lot to say about this because, well, my days at raising girls is long over, although I do still have some influence on my sons that have girls and I am pleased to say that they have been raising them to be very self sufficient, persistent, and confidant in their personal security and their abilities. Of course those boys were raised by a mother who could hold her own with any guy and a father who supported her in her 'non-traditional' career choices and family roles. But beyond that, it's just not a battle I want to engage in.

Having said that, I still see good and reasonable families who foist tradition on their girls and don't leave them a lot of breathing room to get out of, or test the stereotype (this includes many mothers as well as fathers,) although I know this is changing, but the wheels of social change move excruciatingly slow, and this one is slower than most because of the real differences between the sexes help perpetuate the outdated cultural beliefs.

Still though, and beyond that, I always wonder what in the actual fuck is so hard to understand about respecting other people regardless of their gender. Why can't I get an answer for that?
Life is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.- Horace Walpole
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Re: The Skeptic Fence

Postby Milo » Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:27 pm

Richard elaborates on his blog in the comment section. A woman makes a simple observation and a plea for men to think twice and be more considerate and it is transformed into men are not allowed to flirt, all men are rapists, my freedoms are being taken away!!11!!!, etc. So childish. A simple "I never thought of that, good to know" would be a fine start instead of launching a hate campaign.
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Re: The Skeptic Fence

Postby E-lad » Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:49 pm

Milo wrote:Richard elaborates on his blog in the comment section. A woman makes a simple observation and a plea for men to think twice and be more considerate and it is transformed into men are not allowed to flirt, all men are rapists, my freedoms are being taken away!!11!!!, etc. So childish. A simple "I never thought of that, good to know" would be a fine start instead of launching a hate campaign.


I know, sadly, how it works.
I managed people for 37 of my 47 year working life...did my best to treat all as they wanted to be treated....tried to bring every one of them up to their best capabilities; guys and gals alike.

I could type until my fingers are bloody on this subject, but, there are guys out there who just can't 'get it.' I used every technique that I could find to educated my people on this, and in all those years there was only one event of sexual harassment, and I personally escorted him off the property the moment I learned, and substantiated what was going on. I am not kidding when I say that we were acutely aware of how people in the organization were treated, but as I said...I'm too tired of fighting against that crap to even write about it any more.
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